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BobH wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 17:19
... I shopped eBay and found a NOS version of Office for less than $50US. ...
Now I have to think about this.
On eBay, "Microsoft Office 2021 Pro Professional Plus DVD Package & Activation Key".
I'm thinking, well, sure it's near end-of-life, but it's eighteen years newer than my Office 2003 CD, and "professional" means it comes with MSAccess.
$cad 137.
Brand new.

What can possibly go wrong?
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FWIW, I bought a 2016 version for less than half that and it's running fine.
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BobH wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 17:19
I shopped eBay and found a NOS version of Office for less than $50US. It installs and runs everything I need - and a lot I don't run or need.
Bob, what version of office did you get? Were there any issues with the install process? Can you provide the company or link to company on ebay which sold it? I'm very interested in this option. I'm perfectly happy with office 2016, for example.
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23 Jul 2024, 17:19
Why does MS make the whole process so damnably difficult?
Because they don't care about us, they care about moving to the point in time where you will own nothing (subscription everything) and be happy (since everyone will be required to be happy with what they have, this will be simple :hairout: )

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OneSecondStreet wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 03:44
Can someone please help me understand the current licencing of Office products?
A news item via AskWoody this day:-
In "Is Office 2024 worth getting excited about?" Peter Deegan writes "Office 2024 Home; The retail price is US$149.99 and contains: Word 2024 Excel 2024 PowerPoint 2024" but NOT MSAccess.
Deegan also reports "Office 2024 is a marginal improvement on Office 2021 and nothing to get excited about, which is exactly what Microsoft intends."

It doesn't take much to excite me :grin:

For $150 it will probably pay me to migrate to an Office11 laptop and make use of all my Office2003 VBA application software except stuff using MSAccess.
Of course if Office2003 (with MSAccess) can co-exists in practice with Office2024 I'm good to go.

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Keep in mind that Office 2024 Home does not include Outlook; if you want that you'll need Office 2024 Home and Business.
And yes, you will be able to use Office 2003 and Office 2024 side by side.
But why not switch to Microsoft 365 Personal? For CAD 79 per year you get ALL Office apps, locally installed, with monthly updates to the newest features.
Office 2024 can be installed on one device only. Microsoft 365 Personal can be used on up to 5 devices at the same time, and you get 1TB of OneDrive storage. (Note: you're NOT required to store your documents on OneDrive)
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Hans, thanks for this meat-and-veggies response.
HansV wrote:
14 Oct 2024, 14:03
Keep in mind that Office 2024 Home does not include Outlook; if you want that you'll need Office 2024 Home and Business.
Outlook? Wot That? :laugh: :rofl:
I thought that Outlook had been abandoned by MSoft?
And yes, you will be able to use Office 2003 and Office 2024 side by side.
That is re-assuring. I anticipate a few changes to my coding. It will be very handy to be able to run a troubling application in parallel on the one laptop.
But why not switch to Microsoft 365 Personal? For CAD 79 per year you get ALL Office apps, locally installed, with monthly updates to the newest features.
(1) I want to make a one-off payment and be done with it. I don't like the annual blood-from-stone model.
(2) The only MSoft aps I use regularly are Word (85%), Excel(10%) and Access(5%). My life these past twenty-seven years has been spent in MSWord/VBA applications.
(3) More than I detest subscriptions do I hate updates; they make a programming platform unstable.
Office 2024 can be installed on one device only.
That's enough. Visualize me with one Win11 Laptop as my production device, with a Win7/Office2003 as a standby device.
Microsoft 365 Personal can be used on up to 5 devices at the same time, and you get 1TB of OneDrive storage. (Note: you're NOT required to store your documents on OneDrive)
My laptops are labeled LT01 through LT08. Adding LT09 will probably crash my bio-ram!

I dislike internet-based storage (except for parking data on Eileen's Lounge in the form of memo-posts)
I suppose this is a habit I picked up back in the early 70s when I was trained to avoid weird storage, such as COSY for punched cards on CDC 3300 systems.

I suspect that most active members of Eileen's Lounge will be relieved when I wean myself from Office 2003. I'm not looking forward to it. For one thing I've heard of something called a Ribbon ...
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Ah - the ribbon. It will cause no end of annoyances. But you'll get used to it - eventually.
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Oh, and custom toolbars: they still exist, but they are all crammed into one group on one tab of the ribbon... :evilgrin:
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HansV wrote:
14 Oct 2024, 18:56
Ah - the ribbon. It will cause no end of annoyances. But you'll get used to it - eventually.
No I won't :StampsFoot:
but they are all crammed into one group on one tab of the ribbon..
That's OK.
As long as they don't put my Ctrl, Alt, and Shift keys in there ...
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>they still exist

As do all the 'classic' menus...

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HansV wrote:
14 Oct 2024, 18:59
Oh, and custom toolbars: they still exist, but they are all crammed into one group on one tab of the ribbon... :evilgrin:
But you can add buttons (that trigger macros) to any tab on the Ribbon.

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Sure, but I know that Chris uses LOTS of custom toolbars. Converting them to ribbon buttons or QAT buttons would be a lot of work.
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SpeakEasy wrote:
14 Oct 2024, 20:35
>they still exist As do all the 'classic' menus...
Thanks SpeakEasy. I was made aware of this when 2007 came out, and have used the (miraculous to me) keystrokes to deliver classes to laptops of mixed "Officeyyyy" parentage.
I was FIRST made aware of this at a Microsoft Win95 presentation when the registry (:shudder:) was announced. I stuck up my hand and asked if Ctrl+C and Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V would still be honoured; received the immediate answer "Yes", and then fell into a relaxed sleep.
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stuck wrote:
14 Oct 2024, 20:36
But you can add buttons (that trigger macros) to any tab on the Ribbon.
Thanks, Ken. From my perspective each VBA application has a primary macro that Runs the application. The application might have several auxiliary macros to Run, but the Indxr will run that part of the application that indexes a document, and the WbWrd will compile the active document and the Proje application will analyze and list the current VBA project, and so on.

I figure on an in-house scheme whereby Ctrl+Alt+R will Run the appropriate primary macro in the Active document/application.
But see too my response to Hans (immediately below)
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HansV wrote:
14 Oct 2024, 20:40
Sure, but I know that Chris uses LOTS of custom toolbars. Converting them to ribbon buttons or QAT buttons would be a lot of work.
Well Yes.
And No.
About twenty years ago I hired a technical writer to document my Under(the hood) application. That failed in part because I started writing macros to write macros.
In the attached text file you can see hierarchies of macros ("FitTextDisAllow*") that were generated by VBA code.
The attached image shows one item in the main menu of Under expanding into a "Preferred Width" menu that then expands into about two dozen user macros.

Writing families of macros is Boring And Repetitive work, an ideal task for a computer.
I believe that whatever work I do to weld an application into the user interface (in this case The Ribbon, or perhaps, shortcut-key assignments), can be written out as a Turing Machine/Computer Program that will not only do the job for me, but can be rerun whenever a specific application is updated, so that the new set of user-macros in that application are reflected in the user interface.

At the least, generating the parallel to my application's toolbar menus should be a cinch; indeed I'll be surprised if some 3rd-party hasn't already developed such a package.
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HansV wrote:
14 Oct 2024, 20:40
Sure, but I know that Chris uses LOTS of custom toolbars.
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I still wouldn't call that "a lot"; it's just what I can fit onto two rows. :sneaky:
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HansV wrote:
14 Oct 2024, 14:03
Keep in mind that Office 2024 Home does not include Outlook; if you want that you'll need Office 2024 Home and Business.
OK. I've been tied up doing other stuff, but this morning I swept the sewing machine off my other computer desk, fired up the Acer Aspire Winn11 laptop (February 2023) and have composed an email to Crucial (Stuart's Post) seeking to upgrade the Win11 Acer Aspire to
(a) The biggest SSD that will fit inside the case and
(b) The maximum Ram that will fit inside the case
That should take care of hardware for a few more years.

This afternoon I decided to bite the bullet and order a more recent copy of MSOffice than Office 2003, which did not perform well in the Win11 machine. (did not fully install, macros wouldn't run)

I do not want a subscription model. I can do the math, besides which I want a stable version; I do not want intermittent changes to my programming platform.

As far as I can see Office 2024 is a one-time buy/purchase/payment package, so no annual subscription fees, and a stable issue.
But nowhere do I see Office 2024 WITH MSAccess. (What happened to Microsoft Access?)

My current state of knowledge is that to get MSAccess I have to SUBSCRIBE to Office 365.

In this page I see Office 2021 BUT no mention of MSAccess.

Right now money is no object, as long as it is a one-time payment, up front.
I want to pay and after that NOT be committed to a monthly rental. In anything, not just computer software.

Thanks in anticipation for any pointers to a one-time purchase of MSOffice WITH MSAccess.
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As far as I can tell, Microsoft does not sell a version of Office 2024 that includes Access to consumers. Microsoft Office 2024 LTSC does include Access, but it is only available to commercial customers who buy multiple licenses.
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HansV wrote:
04 Jan 2025, 20:09
As far as I can tell, Microsoft does not sell a version of Office 2024 that includes Access to consumers....
Thank you Hans for this confirmation.

I have since searched for microsoft office with msaccess and learned that "Microsoft Access 2021 is the latest version of Access available as a one-time purchase".

It appears to be available here and also here.

I suspect that Office 2021 will be plenty modern enough for me, and should install better on a Win11 system (with extra RAM and extra SSD).

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I don't think you'll be able to buy Office 2021 directly from Microsoft. Third-party vendors probably still sell it, but be careful.
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